Infrared Spectroscopy of FireClean and Crisco Oils

If you have been on the internet and have visited a sampling of firearm related blogs or social media sites in the last few weeks, you have most likely come across reports or claims that FireClean is nothing more than Crisco vegetable oil. I had heard it from two people in the industry whom I respect around the same time it started being mentioned all over the place (I had previously been aware that it was a food grade oil, but did not know anything more than that).

The first real attention-grabber was this video, which has since been removed. It showed FireClean and Crisco vegetable oil smoking and burning off at the same time on a stovetop (my friend Brett replicated this test and saw the same results). Still, this wasn’t the sort of conclusive proof that would sway me one way or the other. It’s possible that two oils could have the same smoke point and not share other properties.

I did not – and still do not – believe that FireClean is Crisco, but not for the reason you might think. Although such statements make for shocking arguments, it wouldn’t really make sense to buy a name brand product at a high price if the goal was to resell and make money.

Still, the claim that FireClean is nothing more than Crisco is not one to be taken lightly by anyone – not by consumers and certainly not by the company. I spoke at length with one of the makers of FireClean, Ed Sugg, and he assured me that not a single drop of Crisco has ever been part of their formulation, even during initial testing with various mixtures. Interestingly enough, he specifically mentioned that soybean oil had not been part of their testing.

Despite these assurances, which I was inclined to believe, I sought to undertake my own testing to determine whether or not these claims are true about FireClean. Trust, but verify.

I also contacted the man who seems to have originated the “FireClean is Crisco” claim. George Fennell of WeaponShield posted on his personal Facebook page that FireClean was Crisco several weeks back (I am told that this has been removed, but I cannot view his Facebook page any more).

It was claimed by various people, including the guy who first posted that now-removed stovetop video, that he had scientific proof of this claim. I asked Mr. Fennell if he would provide a copy of the analysis, which he refused to do. He told me all I needed to do was look at FireClean’s patent application to see that it was Crisco and/or other vegetable oils. When I asked again, rather politely in my opinion, he sent a very long and agitated message again refusing to supply the test before blocking me on Facebook.

Mr. Fennell was the developer of FP-10, a gun oil which, I should mention, I have recommended in the past and said I would purchase over FireClean for reasons of cost. He has since left the company which produces FP-10 and started at WeaponShield. Since then, he has criticized FP-10 as well as FireClean and other oils. I will reiterate that FP-10 provides excellent lubrication characteristics at a competitive price, if you’re looking to buy a gun oil.

But the question of the day is about FireClean and Crisco. There was clearly only one way to settle this, and that was to engage in some science.

I contacted a professor at the University of Arizona – a very nice man with a Ph.D. in organic chemistry – and he agreed to help with an infrared spectroscopy test of FireClean and two types of Crisco.

Two types, you ask? Not generally using anything other than olive oil in my cooking, I was somewhat surprised to find a wall of various types of cooking oils at my local grocery store. There were two types of Crisco oils prominently featured in the display – Pure Vegetable, and Pure Canola. I stood there in the aisle for quite some time, trying to figure out which one to buy. Sensing my puzzlement, a helpful lady asked me if I needed assistance deciding which oil was right for whatever it was I wanted to cook. Suddenly, I understood what it must be like for girls who visit gun stores.

Remembering the earlier comment about soybean oil, I determined with the help of the label that Crisco Pure Vegetable oil is made from soybean oil. Crisco Pure Canola is made from, you guessed it, canola. There were also probably half a dozen other brands of canola oil on the shelf. I decided to take both types of Crisco for testing.

The test took a week, and here are the results.

vegetable oils IR data

 

What did the tests show?

FireClean is probably a modern unsaturated vegetable oil virtually the same as many oils used for cooking.

The professor had something to say about the formulation and its relevance as a gun oil. “I don’t see any sign of other additives such as antioxidants or corrosion inhibitors.  Since the unsaturation in these oils, especially linoleate residues, can lead to their oligomerization with exposure to oxygen and light, use on weapons could lead to formation of solid residues (gum) with time.   The more UV and oxygen, the more the oil will degrade.”

In my 2013 article about gun oils, I mentioned that FireClean wasn’t advertised as protecting against corrosion. Given the results of this test, I suppose that makes sense.

When I fired this AR which had been sitting for years with FireClean on the internals, it hadn’t been exposed to UV, although it certainly saw some oxygen. Since that test, several friends told me privately that their 1911s did not function properly after sitting for six months with FireClean on the internals. It would seem that these results are highly dependent on the weapon.

Given that people in the military are often exposed to both UV and oxygen (such as when they go outdoors) and also need corrosion protection for their firearms, I would not recommend FireClean be used by members of the military.

I offered FireClean a chance to respond to the findings of this test, and, among other things, they asked to review the draft of this article for a few days before it was published. That is not how this blog works. I assume they will be publishing a response through other channels.

160 thoughts on “Infrared Spectroscopy of FireClean and Crisco Oils”

      1. Lol. Found out about this little brush fire in an article on Guns, Holsters and Gear. I have to agree with the reviewer, who never said fire clean is Crisco. But he did PROVE that fire clean is Crisco, so their pathetic lawsuit will only drive the stake deeper into their larcenous hearts.

        Those lying bastards thought they had a sure moneymaker, repurposing vegetable oil as gun oil.

        Snake oil is more accurate.

    1. Wasn’t rapeseed oil used to lubricate warships and other machinery during WWII, before they decided to start feeding it to people?

      1. Rapeseed oil tastes awful, and is usually not used in cooking. Canola is a Canadian GMO of Rapeseed that produces oil that doesn’t taste bad.

        1. Sorry but WRONG. it was known as canola long before the development of GMO’s. You are comparing raw rapeseed oil that is a health food supplement to filtered and refined rapeseed oil that is known as canola

    2. Wouldn’t surprise me but if I were to use a vegetable oil for a base for a weapons grade lubricant I would use JoJoba oil.

      Why you ask? Because many excellent (no longer available gun lubricants) originally were made using Sperm Whale oil gunsmiths and watchmakers prized it as a lightweight lubricant that did not gum or solidify and was excellent in extreme temperature situations.

      From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_oil

      “Sperm oil was a popular lubricant. It worked well for fine, light machinery such as sewing machines and watches because it is thin, doesn’t congeal or dry out and doesn’t corrode metals. It was also used in heavy machinery such as locomotives and steam-powered looms because it can withstand high temperatures.[31] In the late 20th century, Jojoba oil was discovered to be a better substitute for high-friction applications because it is even more stable at high temperatures. This caused sperm oil’s price to collapse to a tenth of its previous value.[32]
      Because of its very low freezing point, sperm oil saw widespread use in the aerospace industry.[33]

      Sperm oil was used to protect metals from rust. A coat of sperm oil provided a temporary protection for the metal components in firearms, because it did not dry out or gum up.[34][35] It was the basis of the original (but not current) Rust-Oleum.”

      Jojoba oil is the closest thing to Sperm Whale Oil…in fact superior in some aspects…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jojoba_oil

      1. Castor oil (“bean oil”) is still widely recognized as a superior oil for two-stroke engines that run gas/oil mix. It’s only drawback is that the mix must be fresh. Leave it stand for a day or two and the oil breaks down. Been there, done that, to my sorrow. The old-timers ran castor oil in their four-stroke race engines. Clean your entire oiling system completely before converting from petroleum, or you get cottage cheese in the tank. Been there, too. Yeah, I’m that old.

        1. No Coach, that is not it’s only drawback. It’s true that it has a higher “shear strength” than most oils, and thus provides more protection under extreme pressures. But it also has a high pour point, making it impractical to use in some motorsports like snowmobiling, and it also doesn’t burn clean, causing a lot of carbon deposits on power valves (variable exhaust port height) which nearly all modern two-strokes have.

  1. Very interesting article. While I don’t claim to know everything about all these new “green” gun-lubes, we have stayed away for one reason.

    An acquaintance who was running FireClean on a rifle in a very cold environment has his weapon freeze shut. Completely.

    We figured if it’s eatable, it’s plant based. And if it froze, it’s got lots of water in it.

    Good post, Andrew.

    Marky
    http://www.john1911.com

      1. I love Rand. I used to use all the other ones mentioned. The fact that it is odorless and lets me do my cleaning while watching tv is a big plus. Rand cleans better than Froglube and is just as good as a lubricant. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=546316

        I also like the fact they’ve done their own tests and there’s more than just oil in it. In fact, I pulled up one page and it looks like there’s rainbow trout oil and bug juice (flea) in it (see bottom of page 3 and top of page 4)? It’s definitely not just 1 kind of vegetable oil in it. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0196/0282/files/randbrands_MSDS_CLP_1.pdf

        1. Never mind, it was tested for oxidation using those standard tests, those are not ingredients. I wish the ingredients were listed, but I get the trade secret aspect as well.

    1. All lipids are hydrophobic by definition and could not have water as part of the lubricant or the parts would completely separate like oil and vinegar salad dressing.

      1. what everyone is missing is water is not the only thing that solidifies in cold. Waxes for example, go through liquid to solid ranges just as water does, and most non petroleum lubricants are in fact, waxes, and not fats.

      2. True dat, Doc. As far as you took it, that is.
        Addition of an emulsifier allows ‘oil and water’ to stay mixed. In the case of edible materials, egg yolk or mustard can play that role.

        1. I read on the interweb that you can store an AR with an emulsified egg yolk in the chamber then it will protect the chamber from damage caused by firing corrosive ammo. The hard part is not breaking that yolk. Trust me on that.

          1. Well, if it’s on the intertubes, it must be true. Although… Jerry, I will store my AR with an emulsified egg yolk in the chamber when post a video demonstrating emulsifying said yolk. 🙂 OT, why yes, we do currently have blizzard-like conditions outside and have commenced to imbibing gin-and-tonics. Why do you ask?

    1. Ironically enough there is actual a gun lubricant with the commercial name, Snake Oil, that is sold by Dillion Precision.

    1. I stopped using Frog Lube several months ago because I noticed that the actions on my firearms that had say fr a while became very “gummy.” I wouldn’t be surprised if Frog Lube turned out to have the same results.

      1. I’ve had the same experience with Froglube if I left any visible amount on the gun.

        If I wiped off all I could see it’d still feel slippy.

        The problem for me is oil has to get into places where it can’t be wiped on some guns. So I’ve reverted to good ol’ LSA (because I have gallons of it).

      2. I used FrogLube on some rimfires before storage (a 10/22 and a CMMG 22lr upper). When I got them out again, they had gummed up so badly that the bolts wouldn’t fully close under their own spring power. I had to clean the FrogLube out before shooting.

      3. I have an HK P30 and their armorers in the forums have flat out said not to use products like Frog Lube. I thought that was interesting. It was based on people sending in their weapons and finding that the malfunctioning was no longer an issue after simply de-greasing the firearm.

        In my handbook it also says, “Do not use lubricants that boast of their ability to penetrate metal as these substances may deaden primers.”

    2. Exactly what I was thinking. I’d be willing to bet its also a food grade oil too. They’ve always advertised that its safe for humans to eat. It works great on my guns though.

        1. That reminds me of a Master Jack drain cleaner talking about how safe it was (Oil of Vitrol or sulphuric acid) he poured some in his hand to show safe it was. I ask him to go pour a little water in his hand, I don’t think that he ever used that as part of his sales pitch anymore. I burnt the crap out of his hand.

  2. IR is a qualitative measure. All I am seeing is that we have 3 oil like substances there. It would also be helpful to have an overlay instead of the 3 spectra separately.

    When can we expect the GC-MS data?

    1. Feel free to download the image and adjust transparency/overlay on your own.

      I’m not terribly interested in determining the exact composition of the oil; the IR data is enough to satisfy the question at hand.

      1. Not really. We know nothing about the length of the carbon chains or their structure. All we know is that the functional groups are similar to crisco, which any oil-like, plant based product would have.

          1. You’ve begun an investigation which could have fruitful results stating what each of these oils even are, but stopping at IR data isn’t sufficient. Many of us who read your articles also work in the chemical industry or at least perform analytical chemistry in laboratory settings for a living. While it is not my specific field of expertise, it seems agreeable that more testing is needed to make any conclusion. As of right now your viewership is likely to take this sole IR data as comprehensive evidence that Fireclean is indeed vegetable oil.

          2. I don’t have a degree in chemistry and it would take me about four years to get one. About ten to earn the PhD of the man who helped with this, and from whom the significant conclusions were drawn. We discussed doing GC/MS at the outset, but the IR data was sufficient for him to draw the conclusions in the article.

          3. Or you could, you know, actually perform a test that produces valid results? Your results are incomplete and misleading. You are not very good at “engaging in science” as much as you like to express that.

            This is almost as bad as your comparison between steel and brass jacketed ammunition.

      2. I agree. They look like near-exact images of one another, maybe 98 percent identical from end to end, with deviations so minute they could potentially be attributed to atmospheric conditions at the time the samples were collected. Its laughable that fireclear wants to sue over this. Arrogance, greed and caught ripping off fellow fighters. They can call their next product “Doucheclear”.

    2. A Gas Chromatograph Mass Spectrometer analysis is NOT going to show you much more than you have here! It will only give greater resolution, like using a cheap rifle scope over an expensive one!
      You see the same thing, just better!

      1. GC MS data is completely different than IR data. The analysis is very affordable. Saying that resolution is the only difference shows you don’t have an analytical background.

    3. Gas chromatagraph expensive!?!. I did them in some of my college classes and there was no restriction on how many did or warning that it was too expensive to continue tests.
      Yes buying the machine is expensive (well depending on manf. and mod. a simple search found them starting at
      $1,495), but running a test on it is not.
      And running a test cost pennies.

  3. Great article. Knowing that it may be costly, but would love to see the same type of tests on other lubrication/cleaning products e.g. Frog Lube.

      1. I’ll do the GC MS analysis for free, maybe some NMR. If you’re interested in me sending the data, let me know. If not, I won’t bother doing a writeup.

  4. I am testing Lucas Oil products right now. They understand high heat, high abrasion and am seeing great results from their weapons line of oils.

    1. Dont waste your time testing the Lucas firearms oils Just use them. they are in fact some of the highest rated lubricants made and those are the START of their specialized firearms lubricants…

  5. I have long used a mixture of common canola oil mixed with cheap ATF. While not a tribologist, I am assuming that the ATF adds corrosion resistance and anti-oxidation properties to the canola, which makes a decent lubricant on its own.

    I use this for range use only, and not for serious purposes. I am satisfied with its performance, (mostly because of its low price), and I intend to keep on using it.

    I am not selling it, however. And I would not without full disclosure of what it is. (which is why it wouldn’t sell, even if it works).

  6. There is no such thing as canola. Canola oil is rapeseed oil made from rapes that have been bred for low uluric acid content. Canola ia actually an acronym for CANada Oil Low Acid. I would not use vegetable oil on my guns or knives. All vegetable oils are acidic.

    1. made from RAPES? get a life and get real! And as for canola being an acronym that bs started long after canola was being used and known as canola, over 1oo years to be exact. Especially since it came from the french speaking provinces of Canada where they would not even USE an american language Acronmn!

  7. I only use it to protect against carbon build-up these days (on non-rubbing parts like inside a suppressor–where heat would melt it if it did gum up).
    Rand CLP seems to be better at cleaning and lubricating the inside, and Frog Lube seems best at corrosion protection on the outside (it’s done well in lubricity studies, but also is rumored to get a bit gummy if not applied perfectly, etc.).

  8. As you point out, “trust, but verify”, and that should include results from ANY test. Results should always be subject to challenge from experiment and I’m somewhat disappointed that there weren’t more of a hands on challenge here. I like the charts, but would love to see some experimentation showing video.

    I’ve been using FireClean for years without any issues to include overseas in most parts of Afghanistan. I’ll keep using FireClean until I find something better. Scientific results means nothing when actual experiences show something different. According to science, hummingbirds, bees and helicopters can’t fly 😉

    1. Feel free to look at my past experiences with FireClean. I’m not saying it doesn’t work as a lubricant for the AR platform – it does.

    2. Hogwash. At some point in the past, some scientist admitted that he didn’t understand how bees fly. Turns out bee muscles are a lot stronger and more efficient than the mammalian muscles he was familiar with.

      “Science” as such (the generalized group opinion of experts in whatever field) has NEVER thought such gibberish.

    1. I have not found a better lubricant than Slip2000EWL. It has never gummed up and keeps all my guns running. If anyone wants to test this product against others, please keep me posted on the results.

  9. if you’re concerned about UV, do you actually think that UV rays penetrate the exterior of a gun and impact the oil inside of it? Maybe a concern if you’re open carrying a High Point. I doubt many lubricant manufacturers care about UV- it’s not going to penetrate an engine block, either.

    Seems like Fireclean did just fine in the Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test you published a while back, and that was in the Arizona desert.

    1. ummm UV can get in MANY places that are not expected, being that it IS in a different wavelength than you can see it is reflected in sorter angles than visible light meaning it can get into the locking lugs on an ar if the dust cover is open, the container it is in can come in contact with UV and the final kill stage can be the oxygen in the air when its applied… too many probable cases to deny the possibilities

  10. I’ve been using Fireclean for two years now. It has made my AR’s MUCH easier to clean. Generally just a swipe with a solvent soaked rag and the end of the bolt wipes clean. The outside of the BCG comes as clean with just a rub of the cloth. BUT, I’ve also found it has minimal rust inhibiting characteristics. For long term storage I still use Valvoline 0-30 synthetic motor oil. FYI synthetic motor oils do NOT .thicken till about -50

  11. Thanks for taking a close look at Fire Clean.

    Anecdotal, but, Pat Rogers has reported great reliability using lubricants ranging from crankcase oil to KY jelly in the AR-15s used in his classes. IIRC, his take was the rifle needs something, and only “cares” that there is enough of it.

    My best bud could tell us all about the wonders high oleic canola oil, he built a successful company around frying potato chips in the stuff circa 1999.

    1. I’m sitting here laughing my tail off, what everyone is missing here is this appears to be a lube that has a minimum operating temperature, and they need to not use it below that temp.

    1. I assume you realize that ATF LACKS friction modifiers? In the OLD days GM’s trannies required it, but no longer do. This is why certain full time 4wd transfer cases that have internal clutches require the addition of friction modifiers to the ATF that they use for lubrication

  12. Wow, this is awesome!

    Is there a comparable analysis for Froglube? Or is Froglube so 2013 and we all jumped the Fireclean bandwagon? Because I still use Froglube (at least for my AR and Glock, my IMI Jericho needs to run wet with PTFE gun grease or it will produce FTE every 20 or so rounds) and still like it…

  13. Well everyone has an opinion on this one…and alot of stuff works…some maybe a little better than others. I have heard several times frog lube is nothing more than roller coaster lube that has a mint smell added to it…..

  14. I don’t care if it’s crushed up kitty’s or unicorn tears… I just did a valor ridge class with a pre clean of fire clean. 1200-1500 rounds of the cheapest cramp ammo I could find over two days. Not a single malfunction and we had them red hot. Today, I went to clean it and I was surprised. The damn thing cleaned up in no time, easily and to be honest, I would run it another 2000 -3000 rounds based on how clean it was. This was my first experience with the stuff. I’m sold.

  15. This controversy came to our attention just today thanks to one of our LE friends who is a lead firearms instructor with an agency here in Florida. We are in development of a technology that is similar in function but very different in process to the infrared approach used by the labs at Univ of Ariz. We also have PhD chemists as well as PhD physicists on our team. To put it in simple terms, we are in the same technology development space as the company that engineered and manufactures the actual spectroscopy equipment used in this test so I know something of what I am talking about from the technical side. We have a college engineering intern term (some are ex MIL) who are excited to investigate the claims in this story primarily as a learning exercise, but also as an opportunity to prove out some assumptions of our intellectual property. We are standing by and at the ready to do this and would like to enlist anyone else’s participation that is curious as we are. We are not seeking controversy or to take sides with any company or individual. This purely about science and the work we are doing as a startup technology company.

    Thank you for your time

    Shoot straight, watch your six.

    We are on FB so anyone can check my claims.

  16. I never understood all this business with expensive high tech gun oils. I’ve always used a sparing amount of a petroleum based oil like Hoppes and never felt the need for anything else. It’s just a gun fer cripesakes, not a Swiss watch.

    1. Another Amen.

      My fisherman son-in-law says that most all fishing lures are designed to catch fishermen, not fish. I think that’s applicable here.

      Me, I’ve used Ed’s Red for at least a decade. Gun lube, bore cleaner, (cast bullets), penetrating oil….never a problem, except that the acetone evaporates unless it’s stored in metal cans with tight seals. I feel no anxiety that I might be missing out one something, because I haven’t read a supermarket gun tabloid in years.

  17. I second the desire to see gas spectrometry results interpreted by someone in the know. I can’t imagine it costs that much we used one a ton in undergrad organic chemistry, any university will have one and any chem student or at the very least TA/grad student should be able to run it for you in 2 minutes. Just ask if you can go in when some undergrads are doing a lab and they are already running various samples through one and have them run and print your sample as well.

    Mike

  18. Why all the weird combinations of motor oil and ATF. I was in the Marines from 1987 to 1993. We used CLP. I use it to this day. It cleans, it lubricates & it preserves.

      1. and the first thing you need to do is check those “authorities” credentials… a company will produce one product and two labels to maximize profit even if the product costs more, they will pass the extra cost to the government contract. thats how it has always been done and will be done, its basic business 101

        1. Yes indeed companies will and DO produce variations of a basic product tailored to specific markets. They sell the name, but with cheaper ingredients. Levis is an excellent example.

    1. Ive been using Lubriplate since 77, never had an issue, stainless, nickle plated, anodized, boron, blued you name it, it works and none of this “run it wet” nonsense either, just common sense lubrication

  19. Looks like Fireclean posted a rebuttel on their Facebook with hints of pressing charges for Libel against those who speak out against their product. Watch your six.

  20. Suing over this or any other report, unless (a) done for a financial gain by a competitor, and (b) with at least reckless disregard in publishing something demonstrably false, isn’t going to work out well for Fireclean. First, they would likely lose. Second, I strongly suspect that they would face the wrath of gun owners, website and store owners and forum posters in the form of negative publicity, limited boycotts and loss of shelf space.

    1. Agreed. Also, if it turns out that Fireclean is Canola oil or similar substance/mix, not only do they have zero grounds to sue anyone, but they will have lost all credibility with gun owners worldwide.

  21. Suddenly, I understood what it must be like for girls who visit gun stores.

    Why did you need to add the sexist and uneducated comment? It did nothing to add to your article.

    1. Wow. Get your little b***ch ass out of here. How do you even get through the day without breaking down in tears?

      You want to see sexism? Travel off CONUS and you will see a lot of sexism.

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  23. I use cosmoline on Mosin for make great glory for mother Russia. It works like charm to make boat paddle/tent pole/gun continue to function without needing of anything more than large rock and bottle of vodka to close bolt!

    1. Yes Commrad, and dif you dunt hev a boulder my wife Helga can use her formidabul throat muscles on glorious mosin bolt.

  24. Please Someone
    Test EWL SLIP 2000 it is what I have been using the last few years and love the results.
    wondering if I should just use organic olive oil instead…
    seriously test SLIP

  25. At $2/quart modern Automatic Transmission fluid (of any type in general use) meets or exceeds the requirements for a weapons oil/lubricant/cleaner.

    A modern vehicle transmission is composed of iron, aluminum, steel, and polymer parts all operating in close proximity at high speed under high temperatures.

    Just like many firearms…

    1. I switched to ATF from gear oil after a winter in the frozen north. ATF does basically anything I could want a gun oil to do, AND I happen to make good use of it as well for Ed’s Red as cheaper-and-better CLP.

  26. How about an spectrum analysis of another labeled gun oil? Since all oils are hydrocarbons and contain very similar molecules it would be interesting to see how different different can be.

    1. no not all oils are hydrocarbons. this entire thread is based on a vegetable oil, Animal oils are not hydro carbons many waxes are oily and are not hydrocarbons

      1. ScotS, lipids are indeed hydrocarbons. Biological oils are, yes, hydrocarbons.

        They’re composed of long chains of carbon and hydrogen… you know, hydro-carbon.

        You struggled in high-school didn’t you? Here’s a basic biology link:
        http://biology.clc.uc.edu/courses/bio104/lipids.htm

        From the above: “The ‘tail’ of a fatty acid is a long hydrocarbon chain…”
        Also:
        ” The terms saturated, mono-unsaturated, and poly-unsaturated refer to the number of hydrogens attached to the hydrocarbon tails of the fatty acids…”

  27. Secretly we are all just jealous that we didn’t discover it and make a fortune with this ‘secret formula.’

    Usually in this info age, normal people share valuable tips with the public. This guy discovered that canola oil works great and capitalized on it. Of course, he couldn’t just say, “Hey guys, you can save money and just use canola oil on your guns instead of all those expensive gun oils.”

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  29. Please do the followingn test:
    froglube vs vegitable oil.
    Froglube vs tracklube
    I can provide froglube samples. I highly suspect that froglube is nothing more than tracklube with mint additive. Tracklube is highly likely to be vegitable oil based material.

  30. I know I dislike gunzilla and bore butter as a preservative oil. Their rust inhibiting claims are BS! I lost the condition of a beatifully crafted un issued polish rifle using these products. My bore rusted and pitted!

    A caution to those using synthetic oils, the oil is synthesized from etsters of alcohol and an in organic acid.. In certain conditions the oil can break down and cause a corrosive situation much the same as organic oils do.

  31. It would help a bit if you had charts\spectrographs of known gun oils like well-known products I can’t say for certain that ALL Gun oils aren’t similar from the evidence given.

  32. After reading the vuurwapenblog and looking at the FC patent, I bought some cheap mexican canola/sunflower oil and started my own test. I have found that it cleans carbon out of my rifles better than any petroleum based cleaners and also used it as a lubricant on a Saiga 12 that gets fouled quite quickly. The gas regulator, gas puck and the gas piston literally wipe clean after shooting better than other expensive products I have used. I can’t tell if the molecular binding of the cooking oil helps remove copper fouling yet. Also, I haven’t found any glazing or burning after limited rapid fire but I will keep testing the “cooking oil solution” until I see more results. Very pleased that this site has given me great advice about this “new paradigm” for weapons cleaning and lubrication. THX you guys.

  33. What is Wrong with good old WD-40.
    I have used WD-40 with great results for nearly 30 years and never had problem! Hot, cold, wet or dry! Especially on my AR when it starts fouling up after a couple hundred rounds using cheap ammo!
    WD-40 is Fish Oil BTW!
    I also exclusively use LSA when I am doing a take down cleaning and NOTHING else!
    PS I have listened to ALL the crackpot suggestions over the years on what is the best overall gun oil and I find most of it to be junk science! Use what is KNOWN to work and forget all the manufacturers HYPE and HOOEY!

  34. One more thought. Where is the control lugbricant, such as LSA or CLP, for all we know right now they could IR the same.

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